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9XR 12v input

Postby JaredReabow » 23 Jan 2013, 08:56

Hey guys i would like some support here.
I have a 12v Dc adapter that will fit the 9xr however i do not see a charging status or a voltage increase when i plug it in.

IS this port connected to anything?
Does it balance charge aswell?
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby ShowMaster » 23 Jan 2013, 15:50

Good question. This I do know. There's a 350ma fuse in the path so you may be limited to 350 Ma charge. I think there's also a diode in the oath so your charger polarity must be correct for current flow through it. Maybe that's why you don't see a voltage increase?
The diode usually is 1 A so that too is a limiting charge current if the fuse isn't.
Finally, no, no balance charging circuit in the tx so don't do it and burn your house down. I believe the new HK 9xr lipo has some circuitry In it to be safer but I still don't think they recommend charging the lipo in the tx.
For now, don't risk a lipo fire by jury rigging a charger not made for a lipo.
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby JaredReabow » 23 Jan 2013, 16:26

I checked, positive in line, ground on outline , this is the standard config and still nothing, as far as there not being a balancer built in, could HK have been more stupid.

no way am i going to buy a separate battery when i already have one
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby mpjf01 » 24 Jan 2013, 05:49

If you already have a battery then you presumably have a way to charge it. Why not use that? It's what therest of us are doing.
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby JaredReabow » 24 Jan 2013, 05:53

Not the point, why include a charging port and not put in a simple balance charger
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby ShowMaster » 24 Jan 2013, 07:12

You do understand this was built without your's or any other input, and was built as a $50 box, no rf?
It is also the first of it's kind so we all have the privilege of be beta testers by being first. I'm sure the "next" version will have improvements that we wish we had now.
Was it stupid? Maybe later, just like the special 9xr lipo for a higher price, and the special rf modules that use the internal antenna, for a price, maybe there'll be a special internal balance charger, at a price?
This can turn a $50 radio case into a working $100+ radio system.
Now that's smart, but maybe you're right and none of this will happen and they're just stupid, we'll see.
Meanwhile we either accept it for what it is and go flying, the actual purpose of it all, or dump it and try another system.
I plan to do both with flying a lot first.
Just for grins, how much extra has it cost to actually fly a plane with the product,
For me, $72 for the 9xr, $34 for a dsm2 module or $30 Frsky, $11 orange dsm2 RX, or $28 Frsky RX, $12 for a life battery, or $15 for a lipo.
These prices include shipping.

Or TH-9x $72 + $11 for a life battery, go flying!
Stupid HK and their 9xr!
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby mpjf01 » 24 Jan 2013, 07:32

JaredReabow wrote:Not the point, why include a charging port and not put in a simple balance charger


I suspect that was the original plan, but it turned out to be not so simple and was abandoned, or at least deferred, in favour of placating the many correspondents who were berating HK for failing to meet their delivery expectations.

I agree with Showmaster, for me its a $50 radio plus freight (I already had a module and battery). Maybe it has deliberately been provided with its many deficiencies/faults in order to enable the future sale of improvements, or maybe its just to give its owners the satisfaction of fixing them themselves.

There will be a FRSKY alternative available soon which will, reportedly, resolve the issues that we have had with the 9x series. Most of us who already use FRSKY gear will probably shift to that, provided that the pricing is reasonable.
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby kaivalagi » 24 Jan 2013, 15:46

mpjf01 wrote:There will be a FRSKY alternative available soon which will, reportedly, resolve the issues that we have had with the 9x series. Most of us who already use FRSKY gear will probably shift to that, provided that the pricing is reasonable.


I haven't even got the 9XR through the post yet and already know I will get the 12ch FrSky radio when it arrives (I'll skip the 9ch but would have got that instead of the 9XR if it was on the market already). That being said the 9XR will make a good open9x radio for my son later and as I have chosen to use FrSky TX/RX gear I have a nice painless migration path from what radio gear I have and what I want to use later on.
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby Chocksaway » 25 Jan 2013, 08:21

According to HobbyKing the battery has over charge / discharge protection and over current protection built into the battery. Could this be classed as balancing circuit? I guess it would if it operated on each cell individually
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby old4570 » 25 Jan 2013, 13:40

Chocksaway wrote:According to HobbyKing the battery has over charge / discharge protection and over current protection built into the battery. Could this be classed as balancing circuit? I guess it would if it operated on each cell individually


No !
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby ShowMaster » 26 Jan 2013, 08:24

No, twice!
Take the battery out to safe place and charge it, save your house. In fact switch to a life, buy 2 and keep them charged of you fly a lot.
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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby Wimh » 26 Jan 2013, 20:04

Chocksaway wrote:According to HobbyKing the battery has over charge / discharge protection and over current protection built into the battery. Could this be classed as balancing circuit? I guess it would if it operated on each cell individually
It does operate on each cell individually, but does not help balancing them, just keeping individual cells from going under a certain voltage or over (and I think the other cells would not be charged/discharged anymore either if one of them "trips" the circuit) . Should make it safe enough to charge in the TX, as with any cell phone. An occasional balancing, like once a year, may help to get longer battery life. But these low C batteries, used with low currents, are unlikely to go much out of balance anyway.
As for the charging, I never got an answer to that question I asked to a Hobby king representative (what kind of charger would have to be used with the 12V charging port), so I'll have to wait until I get mine to see what the 12 V , supposed to be charging input, is all about...

rossco34 wrote:

The information posted is fact from firsthand experience with the 9xr and not speculation from those that have never laid eyes on one.

The radio has been designed with expandability in mind, yes the 12v port is a power in port i.e charge port.

Yes, the radio is powered off the 3s JST-HX balance connector.

The battery due for release soon has a built in logic control board to prevent over charging and over discharging - designed only for use in the 9XR.
This is why we are hesitant to recommend any other power source - the battery due for release is specific to the 9xr.

Obviously, if you choose to use a standard lipo pack in the 9XR then you can't charge the pack through the charge port, which is the same situation as every other radio out there converted to run a lipo.

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Re: 9XR 12v input

Postby Chocksaway » 26 Jan 2013, 21:03

Hey I was just quoting what's been said by HobbyKing on their forum. There is non way in a million years I'll be charging any battery in any radio. In fact I didn't even buy the battery. I use my standard transmitter lipos I've been using in the 9X since day one. I only made that post because of the questions raised about the balancing. I wasn't saying to use it.
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Re: 9XR 12v input

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